More than ten years ago, Pamela Nauda Clark (PNC to me these days) and I were in coach training and paired up as practice buddies.

A deep friendship blossomed, and for all things life and relationship, Pam is one of my primary go-to’s.

In this brand new episode of The Making Magnificence Project®, this dear friend and I sit down for a conversation on her journey to becoming a therapist, the friendship between us, and something called trusting the space, a concept that Pam named many years ago, and one that we still use today.

Go here to listen in to this most recent episode of The Project.